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. >> reporter: on election day last month, voters approved gay marriage at the ballot box for the first time, after dozens of defeats, when maine, maryland and washington state legalized it. but now, it all comes down to the nine justices of the supreme court, and they are generally conservative on social issues, though they're closely divided. for opponents of gay marriage, the very fabric of our society is at stake. >> the fundamental reason why marriage is treated as a public institution rather than a purely private relationship is because it serves the interest of society and the interest of children. >> reporter: edie windsor thinks it's simpler than all that. if you could talk to the supreme court as they consider this case, what would you tell them? >> it's a marriage that anyone would want, okay, gay or straight. we had a wonderful life together. >> and terry, right here again. so, when will the court rule on this and do you have any sense at all which may they may go? >> reporter: so they've got two cases here, edie's and one out of california. they will argue them, hear argume
. >> reporter: on election day last month, voters approved gay marriage at the ballot box for the first time, after dozens of defeats, when maine, maryland and washington state legalized it. but now, it all comes down to the nine justices of the supreme court, and they are generally conservative on social issues, though they're closely divided. for opponents of gay marriage, the very fabric of our society is at stake. >> the fundamental reason why marriage is treated as a public...
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. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a homosexual. what is that like? now, he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual, but that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he'd never met someone who was gay. now, even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that. and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- are is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> based on my experience in the health care case, i am going to not do a lot of predictions because, you know, wrong is
. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of...
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he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. people like grover norquist may not like it and republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington post" abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than $250,000 a year. but there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. president obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. he wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. another thing to keep in mind is that president clinton also dramatically lowered capital gains taxes, and that generally benefited high-earners. so a lot of folks believe that's something that balanced
he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. people like grover norquist may not like it and republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of...
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we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just
we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the...
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as we learned in the election there's way to look at polls and say i see this. nobody argues when you look at polls about same-sex marriage it's going on a line toward more and more support. younger people favor this. that suggests 10 years, 20 years. everybody knows our country is moving towards this and the only question is what are the very next steps. >> and while you in your open letter i guess to bill clinton say it's time for you to apologize for what you did. doma was an unacceptable piece of legislation, distasteful then, it is beyond distasteful at this point. i'll read an excerpt. and you put it in the context of hillary running for office potentially in 2016. the two of you should be a more integral part of that pride, at the very epicenter of this. it's strange and sad you're not. >> it is sad to me. i think in hillary's case this moved after she went into the secretary of state job. there's a kind of etiquette and tradition of the secretary of state not wading into domestic political matters. i frankly -- i shouldn't say frankly. >> you're definite
as we learned in the election there's way to look at polls and say i see this. nobody argues when you look at polls about same-sex marriage it's going on a line toward more and more support. younger people favor this. that suggests 10 years, 20 years. everybody knows our country is moving towards this and the only question is what are the very next steps. >> and while you in your open letter i guess to bill clinton say it's time for you to apologize for what you did. doma was an...
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i just frac fragilely frankly t. >> the election was four weeks ago from tonight. it's four weeks from now in the future that we're over the cliff, and i see no movement by the president. the offer that tim geithner brought was an awful one. he just wants a new credit card without a limit. the senate hasn't passed a bucket in almost four years. >> if we hit the debt ceiling at the end of the month, it will go into effect about february because there's some money games we can do to pay our debt until then, to manage to get by. in february when we're totally out of money and all the americans who filed for their tax returns wanting their money, they want their refund and we don't have any cash, we'll see how happy the american people are. >> the american people are right to be very concerned. >> engaged. >> maybe good at campaigning, but he's not very good at leading. >> thank you, senator. >>> coming up, there's very disturbing news tonight out of egypt. we'll have the latest and ambassador john bolton is here. they say no good deed goes unpunished. one worker learn
i just frac fragilely frankly t. >> the election was four weeks ago from tonight. it's four weeks from now in the future that we're over the cliff, and i see no movement by the president. the offer that tim geithner brought was an awful one. he just wants a new credit card without a limit. the senate hasn't passed a bucket in almost four years. >> if we hit the debt ceiling at the end of the month, it will go into effect about february because there's some money games we can do to...
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it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshal together those core principles that revolve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality. >> wait a minute. let's step back. i want to bring in joy. looking at it from across the aisle, i know you're more progressive, to put it lightly. here is the story. you have demint out there running a candidate against mitch mcconnell to his right, almost beating him last time around, trying to move the party to the right. selecting candidates like sharron angle and some of the whackier ones like christine o'donnell. all around the country always trying to get several notches to the right of what we have. bob bennett, not right wing enough, john mccain not r
it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshal together those core principles that revolve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality....
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it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're trying to do something that's middle ground. but the white house does not believe it was a status quo election. they believe they were handed a resounding victory. >> absolutely. nbc's luke russert. thanks so much. let's get right to our panel now. msnbc contributor ari melber is with me in the studio, and democratic strategist julian epstein joins us from washington. speaker boehner today hold reporters the president is in la la land. then he presents a counteroffer based on the mythical dynamic scoring system that saves
it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're...
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even though there's an election in may, they want to do a recall election that will cost millions. big cities have corruption. in detroit there's a lot of corruption. there's a lot of, you know, for instance, just one example, the federal government took away $50 million in an annual grant because they cited reckless spending, corruption, and neppively. there's an example right there where detroit could have had $50 million but they lost it because they don't have a sterling reputation for fiscal management. >> greta: so we reward them because they're corrupt? that sounds like a stupid idea. >> i don't think you can do that. like so many cities, they've -- >> greta: they've got a lot of corruption, it's probably a pretty quick, easy place to start cleaning things up. >> exactly. iei'm sure if there were money over there, people would take kickbacks. they need a rudy guiliani is what they need. the people need to elect leaders who are worthy and actually good leaders. >> greta: didn't their last mayor go to jail. >> kwame kilpatrick, and now they've got mayor bing. the city lost its
even though there's an election in may, they want to do a recall election that will cost millions. big cities have corruption. in detroit there's a lot of corruption. there's a lot of, you know, for instance, just one example, the federal government took away $50 million in an annual grant because they cited reckless spending, corruption, and neppively. there's an example right there where detroit could have had $50 million but they lost it because they don't have a sterling reputation for...
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washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for pot smokers here in washington state, it is a day for celebration and partying. the legalization of pot. but proponents of this initiative say this is only the first step. this is what you assume the stores will look like? >> yeah. our stores are going to have the feel of a fine cigar shop. >> reporter: jaman was at microsoft and preparing to open as many as two dozen high end marijuana shops in washington and colorado. yesterday he'd be called a drug dealer. today, an entrepreneur. >> our target market is baby boomers. folks tried it in college a couple times, maybe they didn't
washington voters approved it last month's election so let me throw this at you. there's ground rules here. you have to be over the age of 21. you can have up to an ounce in your possession. no more. and despite seattle's overnight smoke fest, you are not supposed to light up a joint in public. here's a big catch. you still have to go underground to get it. growing and selling pot illegal. at least for now they are. miguel marquez has the story in seattle. miguel? >> reporter: brooke, for...
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president bush got 44% when he won re-election back in 2004. do you think he could have made a difference? would he have made a difference for mitt romney if he had stepped in earlier in the debate and said, look, you know what, i believe mitt romney supports latino community and here is why? >> no, and i don't think he should have. look, suzanne, let's face it. mitt romney dug his own hole, and he is now laying in his own grave. i think, you know, for president bush it was important, and i haven't spoken to him, but i just, you know, knowing the bushes, they don't get into the fray of other people's politics, and they defer to that nominee. they defer to that candidate when it is his turn to be the candidate, but i think this issue is just important to them. it's been important to them their entire life. he has had, you know, great relationships with hispanics across texas and also across the nation. it is true, as i said to you, for the entire bush family. it's something they've always embraced diversity and seen the positive in immigration a
president bush got 44% when he won re-election back in 2004. do you think he could have made a difference? would he have made a difference for mitt romney if he had stepped in earlier in the debate and said, look, you know what, i believe mitt romney supports latino community and here is why? >> no, and i don't think he should have. look, suzanne, let's face it. mitt romney dug his own hole, and he is now laying in his own grave. i think, you know, for president bush it was important, and...
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failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharge petition it to automatically bring to the floor the senate-passed middle class tax cut. even though congresswoman bass and others have expressed opt mit optimism, when you put them in a corner, there's not a guarantee a deal will be made in the time period needed. >> that's right. something like that would certainly fail in the house because, of course, there is a republican majority there. they would pick off some republicans. i don't think you would get enough for something like that to pass. i just spoke to some democratic aid
failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a...
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the election was just a month ago. the president has not yet been reinaugurated and rubio has already actually been to iowa where he acknowledged all the talk about him running and actually joked that he will not be a candidate for coach at iowa state, harris. >> okay. i'm glad he cleared that up. carl. i understand they got very serious and talked about the future of the republic party. >> they did. and that also refers to their own political future as white house candidate. rubio he spoke at lengths about the middle class. ryan mentioned those poverty. more than a dozen times. the g.o.p. has to expand big test and better at cuyahoga county law -- -- articulate. >> the election didn't go our way. we can't make excuses. we can't spend the next four years on the sidelines. instead, we must find new ways to apply our timeless principles to the challenges of the day. >> but it all starts with our people. in the kitchens of our hotels, in the landscaping crews that work in our neighborhoods, and the late night shift -- lat
the election was just a month ago. the president has not yet been reinaugurated and rubio has already actually been to iowa where he acknowledged all the talk about him running and actually joked that he will not be a candidate for coach at iowa state, harris. >> okay. i'm glad he cleared that up. carl. i understand they got very serious and talked about the future of the republic party. >> they did. and that also refers to their own political future as white house candidate. rubio...
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end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way, especially when there was every inclination it would go his way and remember what a long torturous, tedious primary period. about 175 republican debates before the general election. he was wiped out before the finals. >> what i find disgusting is i like mitt romney. and his wife and kids. they're nice people. and the way they've all been chucked under the bus by the other republicans, one by one, racing to distance themselves, i don't like that. it's just disloyal to me. >> i think that romney was someone who -- i mean, listen. i'm glad the way everyt
end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the...
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that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of default back in 2011. this is what demint told abc news about republicans who tried to strike a debt deal. >> what happens if -- what happens to republicans who go along with a debt ceiling increase? if they go along with the debt ceiling increase without a balanced budget amendment and the kind of stuff you're talking about? >> i think for the most part they're gone. it would be the most toxic vote we could take. >> demint's far right ideology is a key reason nothing gets done in this congress. house speaker john boehner is currently being pres
that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of...
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i mean i won the election. i had the leverage, why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. early this week, i found my way into the congressional cafeteria, and what do i see? john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell them what your so called friends did to your office desk? >> it was a rubber snake. >> a rubber snake. and did it scare you? >> it did. >> i was so heart broken to hear this, i said look, how about this, john. if you agree to a 1% raise on the top two americans, just two people, i will dissolve social security -- dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans, and congress, and what do they do? >> they invited me to a pizza party. >> and when you got there? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then
i mean i won the election. i had the leverage, why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. early this week, i found my way into the congressional cafeteria, and what do i see? john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell...
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. >> one of his biggest coups and victories was getting senator marco rubio elected in 2010. >> rubio is a rising star. >> yes. >>> well a minneapolis hospital is apologizing for a maternity ward mix-up. that horrified two new young mothers. tammy's baby boy was mistakenly placed in the wrong bassinet, taken to the wrong mother and breast-fed by that mom. the staff at the hospital acknowledged the error after the woman realized the id band did not match up and the newborn was not hers. the baby's mother couldn't believe what had happened. >> how could this happen? what do you mean he went to somebody else's room? what do you mean, somebody else breast-fed my son? i'm, just what? >> the hospital is investigating the accident. meantime, both moms and the baby are undergoing tests to make sure nothing was passed on to that child. which that is the most important angle of that story. >> exactly. >> the hospital gave an apology letter, promised a full investigation, and will cover the costs of any additional tests, the least they could do. i have never given birth. >> at least not to a chi
. >> one of his biggest coups and victories was getting senator marco rubio elected in 2010. >> rubio is a rising star. >> yes. >>> well a minneapolis hospital is apologizing for a maternity ward mix-up. that horrified two new young mothers. tammy's baby boy was mistakenly placed in the wrong bassinet, taken to the wrong mother and breast-fed by that mom. the staff at the hospital acknowledged the error after the woman realized the id band did not match up and the...
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but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't underst
but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads...
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you cannot have what i offered you before the election. what election? that's how the republican house speaker is playing the game this week. maybe in the world of the beltway and the sunday morning talk shows, maybe that makes sense. in the real world, here's what happened. here's the bigger picture. our economy broke very, very badly. not long ago on a historic scale. now in the real world, we are having these tiny little glimmers of recovery of economic growth. the first blue bar, that's when the stimulus bill went into effect. the stimulus kicks in and the economy starts to grow after having fallen off a cliff. that's the real cliff. just the other day, we learned our latest glimmer of growth was bigger than we had thought it was, which was awesome. the bad news, though, is that we are in danger of falling back. we are in real danger. the deficit is not the biggest problem in the country. the deficit is shrinking by hundreds of millions of dollars every year the president has been in office. to the extent we need to use debt to accomplish other goals
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there is a high from election? but this with the consumer confidence plunging how do you make sense of it so soon after the elections? >> it was a miserable election. wasn't it. the whole time we had a small conversation. the president ran a pretty negative campaign and didn't win a mandate on big stuff. he did talk about his desire to increase taxes which may go to melissa's point. but after an elect like this. there isn't that goodwill. there isn't that kind of national coming together that you might have seen for, say, bill clinton or ronald reagan and their reelection. people are pretty bummed out. alisyn: tell us what the larger issue is. does this mean people won't be spending as much on christmas gifts in how do it translate to what it means to the economy? >> it's always hard to reconcile how people feel and how they act. we know you may feel like you shouldn't spend a lot of money but when push comes to showf end up buying an extra gift. soy don't think it means christmas is doomed. but like you were sayin
there is a high from election? but this with the consumer confidence plunging how do you make sense of it so soon after the elections? >> it was a miserable election. wasn't it. the whole time we had a small conversation. the president ran a pretty negative campaign and didn't win a mandate on big stuff. he did talk about his desire to increase taxes which may go to melissa's point. but after an elect like this. there isn't that goodwill. there isn't that kind of national coming together...
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thought would have seen them during election cycle. he thinks this will wake them from their slumber. >> i think it will be way bigger and i won't be just the tea party, it will be everybody in the country. if we go off the fiscal cliff, guess who is disproportionately affected. the low-income people. the low-income couples, their tax will go up 9,000%. these are people who voted for obama who will get whacked. martha: who will they blame? i want to show you a poll that was on "hot air" this morning, then we'll get to bob. it says which approach do you prefer. to reduce the deficit. this poll is 800 people who voted for president obama. they are split in the middle. 41% say mostly tax increases with some spending cuts. but the same number want mostly spending cuts with some tax increases. 5% of these obama voter say they want tax increases only. but 10% of the people who voted for obama in this policy they want spending cuts only. bob, where are we here? >> it looks a little confusing except when you look at history of polling. norquis
thought would have seen them during election cycle. he thinks this will wake them from their slumber. >> i think it will be way bigger and i won't be just the tea party, it will be everybody in the country. if we go off the fiscal cliff, guess who is disproportionately affected. the low-income people. the low-income couples, their tax will go up 9,000%. these are people who voted for obama who will get whacked. martha: who will they blame? i want to show you a poll that was on "hot...
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in two years there's going to be a mid-term election. no politician on either side wants to stand in front of their constituents and say vote for me because i raised your taxes and didn't do anything in washington for two years. >> l.z. granderson, will cain, got to leave it there. thanks so much. >> you bet. >>> wherever she goes, kim kardashian sadly draws a crowd. but an overseas trip for the reality tv star involving a simple thing like milkshakes might be drawing more than just fans. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ]
in two years there's going to be a mid-term election. no politician on either side wants to stand in front of their constituents and say vote for me because i raised your taxes and didn't do anything in washington for two years. >> l.z. granderson, will cain, got to leave it there. thanks so much. >> you bet. >>> wherever she goes, kim kardashian sadly draws a crowd. but an overseas trip for the reality tv star involving a simple thing like milkshakes might be drawing more...
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he knows what happens in mid-term elections. what he's saying is give me what i want now and i'll talk about it later but i'll talk about it at a time when it is next to impossible politically for either party to do anything that doesn't absolutely throw their respective bases. megyn: you had a power play piece yesterday that was all about how the president in your view is intent here not so much on winning these negotiations if they are winnable, but on embarrassing the republicans, bringing them down to their knees. can you explain that? >> he doesn't just want the taxes to go up on top earners. what he wants to do is shatter his political opposition so he can win larger victories later so he can suffer fewer defeats in the mid-term election. he sees this as the moment when he has maximal manage having just been reelected. he figures he can break their will and he can be in a stronger position after that. but as you mentioned before, if he misses or even if he succeeds what you see happening the economy right now and what you
he knows what happens in mid-term elections. what he's saying is give me what i want now and i'll talk about it later but i'll talk about it at a time when it is next to impossible politically for either party to do anything that doesn't absolutely throw their respective bases. megyn: you had a power play piece yesterday that was all about how the president in your view is intent here not so much on winning these negotiations if they are winnable, but on embarrassing the republicans, bringing...
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a lot of people were not paying attention to it, because we were all absorbed with the election. on october 2, they purchased the facility outside of rockford, illinois. it was first touted and it appears that even though the american people resoundingly said no, and that lindsey graham did not want these crazy tweet on american soil, it looks like what they plan to do. they don't take no for answer. the devil is in the details. it advocates on behalf of the 9/11 families. it outlines the details of this acquisition. and there is language in their that specifically points to the possibility that these detainees will, in fact, be transferred to something like a civilian facility in illinois or someone else be one we did a segment on this at the time. the language certainly keep that open and it is open as an option if they can get congress to deal with this. there was bipartisan options and that is why barack obama has said that we are not going to fund it. you can say that you are going to bring these detainees and as long as you want, but we have the power and we are not giving
a lot of people were not paying attention to it, because we were all absorbed with the election. on october 2, they purchased the facility outside of rockford, illinois. it was first touted and it appears that even though the american people resoundingly said no, and that lindsey graham did not want these crazy tweet on american soil, it looks like what they plan to do. they don't take no for answer. the devil is in the details. it advocates on behalf of the 9/11 families. it outlines the...
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that doesn't sit well with mexicans who accuse it of buying the election. hundreds clashed with police outside congress. >>> north korea is going to try again. they want to take another stab at sending a rocket into space. this time, to place a satellite into orbit. this is all coming from north korea state run media. the rocket will be similar to this one. the planned launch, the window is between december 10th and 22nd. u.s. state department is not happy about it, calling any launch by the north koreans provocative. >>> take a look at live pictures from the white house, which is marking world aids day. a day to ponder the fight against hiv and aids. nations around the globe observe the day in their own way. sydney's famous opera house, lit up in red, the color of aids awareness. other countries held rallies. as of last year, an estimated 34 million people were living with hiv. >>> an awful bus crash today on airport property in miami to tell you about. two people died when a tour bus smashed into an overpass. too low for the bus to clear. police and firef
that doesn't sit well with mexicans who accuse it of buying the election. hundreds clashed with police outside congress. >>> north korea is going to try again. they want to take another stab at sending a rocket into space. this time, to place a satellite into orbit. this is all coming from north korea state run media. the rocket will be similar to this one. the planned launch, the window is between december 10th and 22nd. u.s. state department is not happy about it, calling any launch...
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. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in the meantime, let's talk about some of the other headlines. financial firms are gathering for the goldman sachs financial services contractors. a key presenter is brian money tha moynihan. we talked about his reports of planned fee increases. plus there was the issue of president obama's likely pick to follow tim geithner at treasury. we talked about how buffett threw out jamie dimon's name. here is what moynihan thinks about that idea. >> i won't give individual names, but i think what warren is expressing a view which i agree with is that we need to have very bright, very talented and very broad experienced people help pus
. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in...
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i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if the coin flip comes up. so i think that eat big problem right now. >> i initially read the "new york times" piece about boehner gaining some backing of the house. it's basically saying the guys that wouldn't have gone along with them before in caving are now ready to careful with them. so it's like the same article. >> i think it's 50/50 that we don't get that. i'm not exactly sure that the president doesn't think that if we question over the cliff, that he can blame that on republicans. and then try to fix it next year. but from a position of money. >> secretary geithner said they're ready to go
i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if...
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bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton going all the way back to that point, how much government do we want or not want. but on an optimistic note, we always seem to manage to get beyond this. >> congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. ac, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dol
bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander...
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>> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they pull what mark is saying, you are going to see the republican party's numbers in the 20s. they have no leverage on this thing. >> not going to happen. megyn: we'll leave it at that. thank you both. just ahead. a much more somber note. new warning about the sarin gas threat in syria. city drivers claim a class action that the traffic cameras are actually rigged. soot whole world is watching and the president of the united states made clear there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. megyn: that was leon panetta with a warning that the united states and our allies will not tolerate a chemical attack by syria. we got reports that they were mixing the chemical weapons earlier this week. focusing new attention on saddam hussein's 1988 massacre of the kurds. thousands of innocent people died in that attack. many of the victim
>> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they pull what mark is saying, you are going to see the republican party's numbers in the 20s. they have no leverage on this thing. >> not going to happen. megyn: we'll leave it at that. thank you both. just ahead. a much more somber note. new warning about the sarin gas threat in syria. city drivers...
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bush was elected. i always caution, you know, people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a comeback. they can win in 2014, 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principle ps. >> mark, you guest the last word, the final 15 seconds. tea party, less government interferen interference, are those sorts of ideas fading? >> no. i think that's part of the experience. we have this constant historical batter going all the way back to that point. how much government do we want or don't want and i think this is just part of that battle. i know on an only optimistic vote we always find a way to resolve this and come up with a right solution. >> thank you guys so much for joining me. congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it rai
bush was elected. i always caution, you know, people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a comeback. they can win in 2014, 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principle ps. >> mark, you guest the last word, the final 15 seconds. tea party, less government interferen interference, are those sorts of ideas fading? >> no. i think that's part of the experience. we have this constant historical batter going all the way back to that point. how much government do we want...
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it would coincide with south korea's presidential elections. take a look at the latest satellite photo of the launch site. south korean news agencies reporting the first stage of the rocket has been put in place. martha: we've been watching the aerial videos over the course of the last week to see changes and movement in them. greg palkot joins me live from london. greg, what do we know about this? >> reporter: north korea confirming over the weekend what we told you about on friday it is set to lawn of another rocket in the coming days. according to south korean military sources now that the first stage is set up northwest of pongyang another two stages could be assembled and fueling taken care of in three to four days for a launch window ready to set up on december 10th. north korea says it is for peaceful purposes. they want to put up a satellite. they worry it could be a the launch of missile with a long range payload. they tried this in april. we were there. they failed. the path. rocket this time is supposed to be about the same. it will
it would coincide with south korea's presidential elections. take a look at the latest satellite photo of the launch site. south korean news agencies reporting the first stage of the rocket has been put in place. martha: we've been watching the aerial videos over the course of the last week to see changes and movement in them. greg palkot joins me live from london. greg, what do we know about this? >> reporter: north korea confirming over the weekend what we told you about on friday it is...
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today in cairo the most violent street fighting since the election of egypt's mohammed morsi. the army called in the tanks when the protesters got close to the presidential palace. soldiers and armored vehicles shut down a demonstration by both supporters and opponents of the president. they left behind piles of rubble, burning cars, month sense of stability as a major nationwide vote gets one day closer. president morsi said a few hours ago he is going to address the egyptian people. he has not yet, but when that happens, we're going to bring that to you live. >>> nerve agents locked and loaded ready to be used against a syrian people. now, that scenario now a reality. that is according to nbc news. now, it says that syria's military has loaded the component chemicals for the deadly nerve gas into aerial bombs that could be dropped from their fighter jets. i want to bring in paula gorani about this because you have a different take on this. i know there's a lot of breath held. you say that they're not necessarily on that path. >> i believe that there's analysis that is very c
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greg: after the election, people get what they deserve? >> i hate to admit that, but i think you are right. a lot of this is just messaging. i think that president obama president obama did a much better job making the election about dancing horses and contraception and gay marriage. but it's not about that. we are going down the tubes and we have this massive onslaught of taxes coming on in the midst of a terrible economy. greg: i asked this of mary katharine ham. a republicans making a big mistake by being painted into a corner as defending the rich? >> i think that if it gets portrayed like that -- republicans are terrible and they need to learn how to talk about fiscal responsibility in a bright and positive way. they have not been very good at that. mitt romney, though i thought he turned out to be a strong candidate, he always we failed to tell the story of low taxes and limited government and freedom. so republicans need to learn how to do this much better. greg: charlie, thank you so much. it's good to see you. jenna: turning next
greg: after the election, people get what they deserve? >> i hate to admit that, but i think you are right. a lot of this is just messaging. i think that president obama president obama did a much better job making the election about dancing horses and contraception and gay marriage. but it's not about that. we are going down the tubes and we have this massive onslaught of taxes coming on in the midst of a terrible economy. greg: i asked this of mary katharine ham. a republicans making a...
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republicans who were elected won those elections running on limited government and less taxes. they shouldn't give in to that because the principle is wrong and the president doesn't even have a serious plan. his idea of raising taxes will run our country for a few days and all it is is a political trophy to the left. we need to do what's good for america despite what he's been able to sell the media, but taxing the rich is not going to help the middle class. >> brian: not going to help the economy and i think senator demint has to be somewhat frustrated because he knows the president is getting his message out effectively. he's effective in making the republicans seem like they're the party of the rich and wants to cut your health care, even though the policies are correct, because you're looking at entitlements which are unsustainable and that raising taxes on the rich will overall hurt the economy. the messaging is not there. i think senator demint feels as though he could get the messaging down better with a powerful group like the heritage foundation as opposed to a single
republicans who were elected won those elections running on limited government and less taxes. they shouldn't give in to that because the principle is wrong and the president doesn't even have a serious plan. his idea of raising taxes will run our country for a few days and all it is is a political trophy to the left. we need to do what's good for america despite what he's been able to sell the media, but taxing the rich is not going to help the middle class. >> brian: not going to help...
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you're elected but you don't have this type of mandate. heather: thank you so much for your insight. we appreciate it. we'll keep our eyes on egypt. jon. jon: also nearby the bloody civil war in syria intensifies as the fighting moves closer to syria's capital damascus. the latest on the war there coming up. and growing speculation over who will replace outgoing south carolina republican senator jim demint. coming up, more on the potential candidates and how the replacement will be chosen. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement in
you're elected but you don't have this type of mandate. heather: thank you so much for your insight. we appreciate it. we'll keep our eyes on egypt. jon. jon: also nearby the bloody civil war in syria intensifies as the fighting moves closer to syria's capital damascus. the latest on the war there coming up. and growing speculation over who will replace outgoing south carolina republican senator jim demint. coming up, more on the potential candidates and how the replacement will be chosen. hmm,...